Freedom Rider: Mubarak’s Fall is Good News
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by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley
The U.S. corporate media put on a display of great concern for the situation in Egypt, but “the needs of the Egyptian people are never even mentioned in these discussions.” For Egyptians, Mubarak’s ouster would be an unmitigated good – which is all that should matter – but U.S. policy demands that American and Israeli geopolitical ambitions supersede all else. Which is the same policy that dismisses the actual needs and desires of the American people.
Freedom Rider: Mubarak’s Fall is Good News
by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley
“It is literally none of our business what Egyptians choose to do with and in their own country.”
It is a good thing when puppet governments beholden to America collapse. These governments are rarely democratic and serve only the needs of a small internal elite and the interests of the United States government.
Egypt is an excellent case in point. Hosni Mubarak is a president for whom the title is actually a misnomer. Mubarak has been in power for thirty years and had already named his son as his successor. He should be called a king.
The popular uprising against Mubarak is a positive development and the commentary from the American corporate media is all the proof that one needs to reach that conclusion. American networks show much hand wringing from talking heads worrying about “Islamists” and “Muslim Extremists.” They go on endlessly about whether or not this uprising is good for “us.“ They are in fact referring to our government and its military and diplomatic dictates and not to any needs which the American people have.
The needs of the Egyptian people are never even mentioned in these discussions. Egypt is their country after all, and they should have a government that responds to their needs and demands. Whether or not that government is “Islamist“ or not is beside the point. It is literally none of our business what Egyptians choose to do with and in their own country.
“The American corporate media go on endlessly about whether or not this uprising is good for ‘us.’“
President Obama claimed to have urged Mubarak to be more democratic. It is hard to know if he did or not, but that too is irrelevant. Whatever his feelings about Mubarak’s administration, he and his predecessors happily kept Mubarak on the United States payroll. In exchange for receiving two billion dollars every year, Mubarak assisted Israel in strangling the people of Gaza while he and his cronies live off the largesse of Washington. The dirty dealing comes at the expense of the political aspirations of the Egyptian people.
Mubarak’s subservience to American interests allowed Israel to massacre more than 2,000 Gazans with impunity in 2008 and 2009. Had there been a truly independent Egyptian regime, Israel would not have dared to commit its atrocities or to continue keeping Gaza as a prison inhabited by one million people.
The feelings of anger and humiliation that this war crime engendered in the Egyptians are obviously still resonating. Egyptians are Arab and mostly Muslim, and the anger brought about because their nation participated in an atrocity against people like themselves was silently festering. Now that the silence has ended, there are concrete lessons for Americans who have the ability to think for themselves and not in line with the corporate media or mealy mouthed politicians.
The “American interests” endlessly invoked by television pundits and politicians almost always mean disaster for the rest of the world. It is the height of arrogance to publicly proclaim that one government has the right to makes its desires sovereign over those of the rest of the planet. America’s so-called interests are now killing people in countries as varied as Haiti, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Somalia.
“Had there been a truly independent Egyptian regime, Israel would not have dared to commit its atrocities or to continue keeping Gaza as a prison inhabited by one million people.”
Nor are these interests those of the American people. Israel’s ability to terrorize Gazans has nothing to do with the lives of the average person here. No one gets or keeps a job or a home because Israel kills people with the help of the Egyptian government. Yet we are propagandized into making the rulers’ needs synonymous with our own.
The most important interest to Americans would be having a government that met their individual needs. It cannot for precisely the same reason that it involves itself in the affairs of the rest of the world, dominating wherever possible, and subjugating millions of people with the help of eager puppet regimes.
Americans do not have a decent health care system, a safety net, good schools or a strong infrastructure and it is precisely because their nation’s military budget is larger than that of the rest of the world’s nations combined. Supporting compliant governments in Egypt with billions of dollars means that the people of this country suffer with an ever lowering quality of life.
If more of us were aware of these facts, we might join the Egyptian people as they find a new way to live and to be governed. We might think of new possibilities for ourselves. We just might think that having a government that didn’t try to govern the rest of the world was in our best national interest.
Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR, and is widely reprinted elsewhere. She maintains a frequently updated blog as well as at http://freedomrider.blogspot.com. Ms. Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at Margaret.Kimberley(at)BlackAgandaReport.com.
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the silent storm...
Hillary Clinton just referred to the events taking place in Northern Africa as a perfect storm.It sounds as if the term was some type of coded the message if one pays attention on how she emphasized the term....I,have been thinking about Israel as the silent storm.That country is always portrayed in the media as being under siege;Therefore needing our prayers and best wishes for it's protection.....Nothing could be further from the truth.Israel is behind most if not all unstability and state sponsored crimes taking place in Africa.Yet,we have a group of Black pimps and whores masquerading as politicians and preachers spreading lies that all Jews are our best friends.....
This is where I always find it necessary to admit that I have met some very nice and decent Jewish people in my life and it always baffles me as to why such nice people would want to call themselves Jews.I can understand wanting to hold on to your native language or the type of food you grew up with but,a label is something that one should be able to do away with the same way a label can be cut off a piece of clothing and get discarded...
It is plain for anyone to see that the state of israel owns the American government and not vice versa.An applicant for the United States presidency needs the approval of israel before getting accepted...Israel on the other hand does whatever it pleases and makes the United States follow her lead.How in the world did we ever get to this point where we allowed our creation to become our master?American politicians no longer take an oath to defend the constitution of the United States but rather to defend the interest of the State of Israel;No matter how counterproductive those interests are to those of the United States.Most Black Americans just do not care.They are so fed up with America that they don't really give a fuck what happens to her.They say as much when they run out of arguments as to why Obama should be trusted.That's when they throw their hands up in the air and state that if we allowed all the other white boys to fuck it up,why won't we allow the Black guy to finish the job......?What I have a hard time understanding is why are the white guys who claim to love America so much that they are willing to die for her,not standing up defending her honor and pride......What happened to the ideals of the founding fathers and the writers of the constitution?Liars and cheaters from the Republican party have been allowed to twist the words of the founding fathers to suit their own agenda and destroy any hope for freedom and justice in America while so called progressives sit by and do nothing ........
How MUBARAK sees it!
This is a quote from Hosni Mubarak
“The Arab youth are our most valuable possession from wealth and resources, they represent more than 25 percent of our populations, and through their ideas and dreams we make the future of our nation and make its marks and build its foundations,”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/world/middleeast/20arab.html
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EGYPTIANYOUTHS ARE MUBARAK'S POSSESSIONS! They are his stock in trade!
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Here is an observation from Here Mr. Ghabra, from Kuwait.
“Authoritarianism is the mode by which Arab regimes have dealt with the Arab people. Today, as a result of the Tunisian rebellion, the wall of fear in the Arab populations has been broken and has been penetrated for the first time in decades.”
But then he added:
“A lot of times we criticize ourselves and say there is failure and there is a lack of opportunities. But there is also success, and progress. For example in Egypt, there are 60 million people who use cellphones. I don’t think we can say a society that has 60 out of 80 million people using cellphones can be called a failed and incapable society.”
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COVERTING 60 MILLION EGYPTIANS INTO PERPETUAL JOBLESS CONSUMERS OF CELLULAR PHONE IS NOT PROGRESS!!!
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These are the wise guys who control 99% of Egyptians or Arab people and receive bilions $$ in military aids annually to do that job. The American military tanks, helicopters, and F-16 that were flying over demostraters are meant to wage war on Arab citizens by Arab dictators allied with the corporate-controlled western powers!This is the same job Paul Kagame is performing in Rwanda and Democratic republic of Congo! I n this case, 10 million Africans have lost their lives while thousands linger in for profit corporate sponsored refugee camps run by NGOs! NNGOS
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I welcome...
Enlightened one,
I welcome this opportunity to discuss this topic....
I agree with you that it is very possible that if religion did not exist,men would find another reason to hate one another.I constantly wonder if this hate would have lasted so long if it was not justified by religious teachings.Teaching people that here exist a god who sanctions violence is one of the surest way to convince them that such violence is a good thing.When one reads such books as the bible,Koran or the Talmud,one can't be honest and also claim that those books do not encourage bloodshed and violence.If I follow the usage directions that a bottle of medicine has written on it and I get sicker,I can not be blamed for not interpreting the directions properly.When it comes to the bible(it's the one I am most familiar with),It is clear and certain that god commanded his people to kill,maim,torture and enslave one another.Even if I was to agree with you that we misunderstand god's words,the truth still remains that those words are hurting our world and helping to destroy it;And,since god has not found it necessary to let us know that we are misinterpreting his words,he must be happy with the way things are..People are suffering and dying and all hope we have for things to get better come from the same religious leaders responsible for the murders and violence taking place...From the day we are born,we are told that in order to reach ultimate happiness,a man once dead has to return.To make matters worse,the world has to come to near total destruction for this to happen....We presently have religious fanatics who have worked themselves into high ranks of our military with the hope that one day they will be able to facilitate Jesus's return by waging a nuclear war.This has always been the case but,with the advance of nuclear weapons,the situation has become more dangerous than ever..Sometimes I wonder if regular folks like you and I really take into consideration what it is they are wishing for when they lovingly warn their neighbor that Jesus is coming back...These are people who have willingly sacrifice the lives of future generations in exchange for an imaginary place called heaven....Most of us agree that religion was created by men yet,we continue to practice it as if we can disconnect religion from it's teachings.Some of us say that we are not religious but we still believe in god.When I mention that we would never have learned about god if not for religion, they argue that I am wrong.I do not understand the logic of that argument when no one has ever seen or spoken to god(while sane);Or at least proved that they had.Our knowledge of god can only come through religion and it's teachings
I would be more than happy to join the rest of the world in worshiping god if I saw that it was doing our world good.Instead,I see it as the greatest source for hate and division among people who would most likely be living in peace if not for religion.
I will leave you with a short story.It is written that Christopher Columbus wrote a letter to queen Isabella telling her how peaceful and calm he observed that the Indians he was writing about were and how easy he thought it would be to steal their lands and turn them into slaves.He also noted that they knew nothing about Jesus or the white man's god....What do you think happened next?........More ships and soldiers came with bible in one hand and a rifle in the other.They Christianized the Indians and slaughtered them by the millions....The first slave ship to leave Africa for the new world was named"The good ship Jesus".
Even when presented with such evidence of religion's destructive influence,people still chose to practice it's teachings.The only explanation I find for this insistence is that religion,no matter how evil it is, give us a future after death...It is that future that holds most of us hostage until the day we die.Too bad no one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that future is a fraud and the biggest lie ever told.
Love,respect and peace to all people of the world.
The Anglo-American system at work
I'm glad it is finally pointed out that Americans are being propagandized into directing interests and monies for Israel's benefit at the expense of needs and interests of non-Whites in America.
This says it well: "Nor are these interests those of the American people. Israel’s ability to terrorize Gazans has nothing to do with the lives of the average person here. No one gets or keeps a job or a home because Israel kills people with the help of the Egyptian government. Yet we are propagandized into making the rulers’ needs synonymous with our own."
I too was absorbed in this week's activities in Egypt and the Middle East. Staying informed on all our geopolitical imperialist white supremacist policies and practices worldwide is crucial to challenging injustice here and there. We are all brothers and sisters being pit against each other for state nation oppression and subjugation.
And Englightened Cynic's comments are always spot on. I too have argued that most Jews in Israel today are European immigrants and indigenous Jews and Palestinians are not only from the same roots but have co-existed peacefully just fine is Palestine Israel. I've heard that even from friends who go there for pro-peace educational religious efforts. Generally, the Palestinians and Jews are okay co-existing until politics and statism creates inequalities, division and hatred. Just like here.
When European Anglo racism and the extremism of the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, joined forces in 1897, a new of kind of world hell began. If you read his stuff and beliefs, he makes "Muslim extremism" look mild. Herzl's belief system was sociopathic and global. Combine that with the mythologizing from a book written by men that purport to claim that God spoke to them and chose them because they were so victimized, then you have some crazy stuff.
The idiocy of all the religious competition is inane when you see the basic spiritual message of any religious or tribal faith are all the same - mutual respect and relationship with human, nonhuman animals and mother earth.
"Take the log out of your eye" is what I say to all the Christian Americans, especially White, being so arrogantly opinionated about what Middle Eastern, Africans, Latinos, Asians or any indigenous people should do about their "conflicts". They are intelligent enough to solve their internal matters.
In fact, It is intentional divisive white supremacist interference that is the source of the serious fights that pit brother against brother. That's what Whites want and what they do to develop and maintain their Anglo American system of supremacy.
Non-whites who are the majority of this world, have been generally more communally cooperative and respectful to not abuse exploit nature and animals precisely because of their intelligence and common sense in knowing resources are limited and collective, communal sharing works.
Anglo-American white supremacy culture has a diffferent objective that even exploits the God they incorporate in their culture. They have exploited their Christianity to turn Jesus' words into something else.
When I hear White Americans complain about theocratic countries, I remind them them that European colonialism in Africa, Asia, and the entire Western Hemsiphere specifically used Christianity and preachers to invade, steal, settle and kill. Hell, they committed the largest genocide in history, the genocide and near extinction of nearly 100 million indigenous natives of the entire Western Hemisphere - a hell of a lot more than 6 million or so Jews killed by Europeans.
So, it continues today in different form and fashion. We have a powerful U.S. comprised largely of Brown and Black that are carrying on their backs the burden of continuing to spread Anglo-American imperialism and genocide to other Browns and Black elsewhere. It just doesn't end! That keeps me connected to our military industrial complex incursions in the world.
Animal rights activists for example, also fight for the voiceless worldwide. There is an intrinsic link between these human and their fellow nonhuman animals. The same Anglo-American system is the largest exploiter, torturer, and killer of animals, all for their sport, consumption and profit. Animal rights activists know a foundation for these evil is also capitalism and Judaeo-Christian beliefs about using living things for their own benefit. I mention this because an overlooked part of the destruction of the lives of Black, Browns indigenous worldwide is their surrounding nature and balance with animals. The Anglo-American system of superiority aims to destroy that so that it will create further dependence of these peoples for manufactured, artificial, market-based products from a system that is to become their master on Earth. Break their spirit, kill their livelihood is the goal and use religion/God in the process if you have to.
Egyptians should revolt
The opening quote in this article:
"It is literally none of our business what Egyptians choose to do with and in their own country.”
I'm happy that the Egyptian people are taking action to decide their own fate and leadership. That's what sovereign people do. This isn't the first nor the last time that this will happen in this nation or in other nations. There is nothing more or less to it than that.
I swear some of our people are in a serious brain fog. Its not always about BLACK AMERICA.
I knew that along the lines
I knew that along the lines somewhere this would turn into an emotional debate about religion because that's what a lot of our people do. If they don't like religion they still bring it up, if they love religion they bring it up. It colors every part of a debate about Africa or anything that goes on within the African diaspora. Ridiculous.
it just cannot be ignored....
Seventies,,,
The reason why it can't be ignored is because it is always what Black people use to excuse and support the actions of criminals who legitimize their actions through religious books.Test it for yourself and report back to us.Even if they are willing to accept the information being presented by brother Enlightened cynic as true,at the end of the day,they refuse to go against the teachings of the bible and remain somewhat supportive of barbaric acts being committed against their wishes.Some Jews do the same thing when it comes to Israel......They use the story of Jacob and Esau as a platform to build all their political support for the crimes of the Israeli government against the Palestinians.I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the Muslims are not doing the same thing vis a vis the Africans who they are slaughtering....Religion and it's ugly head is always present,no matter how much you hate to admit it.
I am wondering if Blacks in
I am wondering if Blacks in America are sympathizing with the Egyptians or are they watching the events taking place through religious/superstitious lenses....Blacks in general have been convinced that the people who stole their culture and left them with Jesus are truly god's chosen people;Thereby making all of Israel's perceived enemies also god's enemies......;And,since Black people love god,anyone who is the enemy of god is also the enemy of Black people...For that reason,they excuse and accept all of Israel's crimes against humanity......
Another glaring failure of the Black Church
It's one thing to be Christian or religious. I consider myself "spiritual" though I don't buy into corporate religion. But it's another thing to be engaged in RANK STUPIDITY. The reason a lot of people are hostile or benign towards religion is because the ease with which religious people take leave of the critical thinking and common sense.
The notion that the current occupants in Israel, especially those from European countries or Czarist Russia, are God's "Chosen People," belies the triumph of propaganda and the cowardice of the Black Church.
No one with a scintilla of intelligence would believe that blond-haired, blue eyed Europeans are the chosen people, the original Jews when all you have to do is look around the globe and see that people who for centuries reside in and around the equator are (surprise, surprise) black, brown, or bronze-skinned. We know the Caucasoid evolved as humans migrated FROM equatorial regions toward colder climes. That's not only scientific, it's common sense.
But the Black Church is so stymied by critical thinking and beholden to the White Power Structure that they buy into the current propaganda that the current Israelis are God's "Chosen People" when not even esteemed Jewish scholars buy into that nonsense.
http://tonykaron.com/2008/04/21/of-matzoh-balls-and-mythology/
I’d recently noted the provocative work of the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, whose new book When and How the Jewish People Was Invented makes the case that Ashkenazi Jews are mostly descendants of the Turkic Khazars of Central Europe, who converted en masse to Judaism around the 10th Century, while the Sephardim are rooted in Berber tribes in North Africa who did likewise. The most likely descendants of the original Judeans, he argues, are in fact the Palestinians — that’s because the “exile” and forcible dispersion by the Romans never happened, he argues; it was a myth. Most of the Judean Jews remained on the land, and later converted to Christianity and Islam.
Compared to the power of this myth, does it really matter that the Exodus from Egypt never took place? Thousands of Egyptian documents deciphered in recent years leave no room for doubt: the exodus of masses of people, as described in the Bible, or anything remotely like it, just never happened. These documents, which cover in the finest detail every period and every part of Canaan during this epoch prove beyond any doubt that there was no “Conquest of Canaan” and no kingdom of David and Solomon. For a hundred years, Zionist archeologists have devoted tireless efforts to finding even a single piece of evidence to support the Biblical narrative, all to no avail .
The modern Jewish myth has it that almost all the Jews are descendents of the Jewish community that lived in Palestine 2000 years ago and was driven out by the Romans in the year 70 AD. That is, of course, baseless. The “Expulsion from the Country” is a religious myth: God was angry with the Jews because of their sins and exiled them from His country. But the Romans were not in the habit of moving populations, and there is clear evidence that a great part of the Jewish population in the country remained here after the Zealots’ Revolt and after the Bar-Kochba uprising, and that most Jews lived outside the country long before that.
So there you have it. Now, I won't even get into the FACT that the current form of Judaism as practiced in Israel is racist, the concept of Zionism or a "Jewish State" is racist and exclusionary by definition, any amount of research and thought can bear that out. Each year there is increasing "separatism" mandated by the Jewish Political Hierarchy/Religious Orthodoxy, it's getting to where not only is it next to impossible for an Arab Israeli to marry a Jewish Israeli, but equally hard for a Orthodox Jew to marry an atheist Jew. Israel's own definition of "who is Jewish" narrows each year as their racism, paranoia and xeneophobia grows.
Now how can Black Christians blindly accept "these facts on the ground?" I won't even get into the Israeli support of South African's apartheid regime during the decades of Mandela's imprisonment.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel
If Black Christians think-- inspite of all these facts and truths-- that the current occupants of Israel are God's Chosen people, they are not spiritual at all, for God would not ordaine naked racism or inhuman oppression, they are in fact DELUSIONAL and have bought into propaganda throughly because they lack the common sense and courage to discern true Biblical Revelation or they possess the historical acumen of a 2nd grader.
EC There's a Book that Preceeded Sand's on AshkeNazim
EC: There's a book published in the mid to late 70s that is a fore-runner to Shlomo Sand's Book on the question of the origins of the Ashke-Nazi Jews - its called 'The 13th Tribe' by the late Arthur Koestler [an AshkeNazi / atheistic Jew{an oxymoron if there ever was one} himself , but also quite a scholar]. There's been much effort to discredit his conclusions. I suggest you Wikipedia the word Ashkenaz & also get a Biblical map & find the local of the Biblical Ashkenaz & compare it to maps in Koestler's [& perhaps Sand's] book. Note that prior to 1000ACE the estimate world % of AshkeNazim to Sepharim [Afro-Asiatic {also nick-named 'Black'}Jews] & then note how those estimates nearly flip by 1900.
More food for thought: There's an Indigenous element who live in Israel/Palestine [& also Egypt, the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan, the Mesopotamia, etc] who don't look like either AshkeNazim or Caucasian Arabs. You can do your own research to find out what they look like [Hint: Research the Biblical name Kedar & its literal meaning. The Prophet Muhamed is said to be a descendant of Kedar].
The Book of Genesis says that the Edenic Lands where watered by 4 rivers- its common knowledge that 2 of them are the Tigris & Euphrates Rivers, but the first 2 are left as a kind of mystery or riddle... BUT- Genesis specifically connects one to Ethiopia [Eden is where Genesis says Man originated - Ethiopia is where scientist now agree Man first evolved]. Ethiopia is Greek for 'Land of Burnt Faces' but Sudan is Arabic & means the exact same thing. What river system(s) is connected to Sudan & Ethiopia? The 2nd Edenic River is called Gihon - if you Wikipedia Gihon you'll find many Ethiopians traditionally connect it w the Abbai or Blue Nile [the name Nile is also of Greek origin]. Also note-worthy is Ethiopia's history of the Menelikan Dynasty of 225 Kings [the last was Haile Selassie] said to be a direct line from the Biblical Kings David & Solomon [one of Selassie's titles was 'Lion of the Tribe of Judah']; as well as the history of Ethiopian Beta Israel Jews.
Thanks Nixakliel for the 411
Again, not to rehash, but this information is out there for any one interested in the truth versus fairy tales. I DO understand Christianslayer's lament, how religion leaves some, way too many, stuck on stupid.
What's interesting (and I hope this is my last comment on "religion in the context of the essay) is that while Negroes frown at and look all cross eyed at Blacks who call themselves "Black Hebrews" and the like, they readily accept, without a hint of reservation the concept that Caucasoids or Anglos from Europe and Russia are the "chosen people." Let's not even mention that the "truer Jews," the Black ones from Ethiopia and Northern Africa, get shitted on, get second class treatment by the Caucasian ones from Europe. Israel makes Selma in the 60s look comforting.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/tag/ethiopian-jews-face-discrimination/
But Americans are stupid and propaganda is live and well. Ever wonder why American depictions of "Latinos" or "Hispanics" look like Jay Lo and Gloria Estefan and not Manny Pacquaio???? If you ain't Anglicized you ain't right. LOL
Like I said, I understand Christianslayer's complaints very well. The pastor of my family church went to Israel on his "sabbatical" and didn't say a damn thing about Ethiopian Jews or racial discrimination in Israel, but he did manage to utter some Islamophobia bullshit. And this Negro is supposedly college educated, not one of these storefront, I woke up "saved, "I got a calling," Negroes.
But Christianslayer, Nixakiel is one of these Christians who get it. Aint' all of them dumber than a door mat.
I Just Study Biblical, Spiritual, Historical & Scientific TRUTH
I don't actually refer to myself as a {traditional}Christian, just one who studies Biblical, Spiritual, Historical & Scientific TRUTH. The Bible happens to be one of the most known yet least {properly}understood books in History [IE: most traditional Christians will tell you that the 'Fall of Man in Eden' was due to Eve eating an apple- yet the Genesis story says nothing about any apples!]. The Bible does say that Moses & his predecessor Joseph were 'Princes in Egypt' who were mistaken for ancient Egyptians [in Joseph's case by his own family]. We don't know exactly how they looked [but its a sure bet they didn't look like Charlton Heston]; but we do know that their story coincides roughly around the time of Kings Tut, Ramsesses & Ahkenaten & Queen Nefertiti -AND- we do know exactly how they looked [IE: more like Sadat instead of Mubarak].
PS: Many so-called Christian Zionists [white & Black] are probably unaware that modern Israel has in the past 15 yrs or so had a massive influx of so-called refusniks from the former Communist Russia- who now comprise about 20% of the population. And many of them don't even pretend to be Jewish.
Food For Thought: How can someone be both Jewish & an atheist??? No one ever speaks about an atheistic Christian or Muslim - yet Christianity & Islam are off-shoots of Judaism - which [not withstanding the modern Israeli State] is the main reason why its of any real historical significance - because there's maybe 2 billion Christians & 1.5 billion Muslims but there's only about 15 -20 million Jews in the world today.
Nixa, I don't actually refer
Nixa,
I don't actually refer to myself as a {traditional}Christian, just one who studies Biblical, Spiritual, Historical & Scientific TRUTH
Whether you meant to or nor,you have just lumped the bible with spirituality,history and science.....The bible is a book full of fables and miracles....Miracles are basically events that go against science and reality.For the sake of argumment,I'll address the story of Noah.
For forty days and forty nights,this man and members of his family were locked inside of a boat while god went insane and decided to destroy the world he had just created.For this story to be scientifically believed,this boat had to be sealed airtight.Aboard this boat 2 of each living animals were also present...Let us agree that Noah had at least a thousand animals on this boat.We all have an idea of how much meat lions,tigers and other carnivores consume on a daily basis.Noah had no access to refrigeration or air conditioner at the time......You can see where i am going with this thing......I had a woman tell me once that I needed to suspend all logic in order to better understand religion...If there was ever a moronic statement?...
The new testament speaks of a man named jesus who walked on water,raised the dead,healed the blind, brought himslef back from death and flew to heaven without an airplane.If such a famous man existed and the Romans knew of him,why is it that no historians of the times he supposedly existed in wrote about him?Every attempt at doing so by the rewriters of history has been discredited .....
I would like to hear from you if you have any information that can shed some light on my concerns...
As I Said The Bible is the Best Known Yet Least Understood Book
I'm clear about what I said... And As I also said the Bible is likely the best known yet least properly understood, most mis-interpreted & mis-represented book in history [even by many/most who claim to know it]. It certainly doesn't help that the main disseminators of it since 500ACE have been Euro-Christians [starting w the Romans & Greeks] yet the original Bible wasn't written by either Europeans or Christians [Note: The Greeks & Romans devastated Yeshua's land & people - just as their Euro-Christian descendants have devastated Black & Brown peoples in modern times] . Yeshua's [aka: Jesus] prayer [the Lord's Prayer] was for Heaven on Earth - NOT in the sky. And You'll be hard pressed to find any description of Angels in the Bible w wings on their backs &/or feet - that tale comes from Greco-Roman pagan myth. They are almost always described as MEN w a Divine Message for the People. For more historical info on Yeshua of Nazareth [aka: Jesus] read 'The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception' & see the documentary 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' - they make 'The da-Vinci Code' look like child's play.
PS: Its important to remember that some of our people's greatest freedom fighters were men & women of Faith IE: Rev Dr Martin Luther King [a Christian Minister], Malcolm X [aka Malik al Hajj Shabazz - a Muslim Minister], Bob Marley [a Rastafarian Poet/Prophet], & even the Honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey. The sad truth is too many prominent Black ministers have failed to even try to live up to the example set by MLK.
Its also important to note that a lot of what's passed off as official history & science is BS IE: The Magic Bullet Myth{so-called theory}...; The Saddam's got WMD & helped plan 9-11 Big Lie...; The Blacks are scientifically proven to be innately inferior to whites Big Lie [ties into Eugenics which ties into Social Darwinism which is directly derived from so-called Scientific Darwinism]...;, the Ancient Egyptians weren't really African Africans - they & the Ethiopians & Somilians are actually Caucasian Africans w dusky skin & wooly hair [I've actually read this crap in a college level history book in a respected University's library]...; Africa is the most overpopulated place on the planet [Africa's population density is less than the US']...; the US is the free-est, fairest, society w the best health-care, education system, highest living standard, & the most just legal system- in all of history -&- the Standard American [IE: SAD] Diet is the best diet in the world...; The main reason Lincoln & the North fought the Civil War was to end Slavery, ...
Its all about the 'Power to Define & Interpret' information - who's defining it & what's their real objective.
Nixa,,, I need to reply to
Nixa,,,
I need to reply to your statement about Martin and Malcom having been members of religious organizations therefore lending respectability to those organizations.......
Your argument makes it sound as if just because a member of the Mafia happens to drive by a burning home and saves the lives of it's occupants that his organization deserves legal statue.......;I don' buy it.You are leaving some very important facts out of your argument...MLK was more of a philosopher than he was a preacher..He only refered to biblical verses to add color to his words. He was one of thousand of preachers in the country and many of them betrayed him near the end of his life.They turned against him because he spoke againnst the Vietnam war.It makes sense when one discovers that the Catholic church was behind the war all the time because they wanted to convert the people of Vietnam.. As for Malcom,your argument really sucks for,it was members of his own sect that ordered and carried out his assasination.Here we have a clear case of leaders of a religious organization killing one of it's members because he was speaking his mind and exposing a leader for being a hypocrite and a liar...Between Christianity and Islam,the Africans do not stand a chance..If you stop study about the Africa of the past and look at the present Africa,you'll find a place going crazy with foreign religious criminals using the ignorance of Africans against them while instigating violence and hatred amongst the people.Aids was almost eradicated from Ugandan society until the pope and his goons started to order Africans to stop using condoms.The catholic church in the country where I was born,Haiti is known for using violence against the people to force them to stop worshipping the African gods of their ancestors........Are you by any chance insinuating that religion is the only source of morality in the world?Some of our best thinkers and pilosophers were people who never cared for religion .....As a matter of fact,many of them died fighting against religion....
We as a people do not need to believe in lies and fairy tales in order to learn how to co exist with one another...We are much more intelligent than we give ourselves credit for.Some Black folks recoil at the idea being related to Apes.From looking at our history of wars and violence,I think it's the apes who should be ashamed of us instead of the opposite being true.....
PS...By the way,does it ever strike you odd that god of the bible did not see it fit to tell us not to kill each other until the sixth commandment?He was so busy making sure that we only admired and worshipped his egotistical ass that he skipped the most important thing until he was almost finished.....
Also,I can never fully understand people who say that the bible is either misleading or being badly interpreted.If so many people are not understanding a book that a god wrote full of orders for them to follow,wouldn't it make sense for that god to write a new book to clear things up......You have this idea that you are not being told the whole truth and that some other book exist out there with contains the truth.Well,you must be a fool for following the teachings of people you think are lying to you.What method do you use to decide what part of the book is true or what part is false?..Anyway,who gives a damn about what some asshole wrote thousands of years ago?.These people are dead and long gone and lots of us are walking around as if they are still alive.It's not as if we are becoming better people from reading their words....We are only using them to continue to kill and destroy one another.......
Don't Expect Me to Defend Euro-Centric Christianity...
First: I said nothing about the examples set Martin & Malcolm means that Euro-Christianity [nor the NOI] is Cool & the Gang- My point is simply they were undeniably Men of Faith - & they used their Faith to inspire them to make a valiant stand for their people. Now I'm going to try to say this as plainly as I can- I'm not defending Euro-centric Christianity all whose different sects are just off-shoots of Roman Catholicism. Its important to understand that Catholicism is not rooted in the original Biblical Scriptures but rather in Greco-Roman paganism. Its one thing to reject Euro-Centric Slave orientated Christianity [or Caucasian Arab slavers carrying the banner of Islam for that matter], but when you recklessly trash the Bible or Koran wholesale, then what? Do you really think you're going to replace them w what- Atheistism &/or Darwinism? Both of which are just as Euro-centric as Catholicism! Africans / Afro-Asiatic people have always traditionally been spiritual people - whether Hebraic, Islamic, Rastafarian, Egyptologists, Traditional African Spiritualists, etc - we have never been atheists - until being exposed to the {modern}Euro-centric mind-set. Plus Darwin was a RACIST [the full title of his first book was: On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection OR THE PRESERVATION OF FAVORED RACES... {they've decided that 2nd part of his title was not so politically correct so they stopped using it}& THEN Note this quote from his Descent of Man: 'At some point in the not too distant future the civilized (IE: Euro / Anglo) races... will almost certainly (try to) exterminate & replace the savage (IE: Black & Brown) races throughout the world...] As Darwin formulated his theory he conferred w his cousin Francis Galton who formulated Social Darwinism also called EUGENICS. But if you want to know about many of the factual problems w Darwinism just Google PhD Biologist [& ID proponent] Jonathan Wells' Survival of the Fakest.
As far as Malcolm's assassination is concerned apparently you've bought into the US Gov't's 'official' lone-gunman line{LIE} that: Oswald was JFK's lone-gunman, James Earl Ray was MLK's lone-gunman, Sirhan Sirhan was RFK's lone-gunman - & the Black Muslims killed Malcolm - so there ain't nothing else to discuss unless you're a conspiracy nut, blah, blah, blah. Well for a different perspective of these deep events [especially Malcolm's assassination] I suggest you read Karl Evazz's book 'The Judas Factor - The Plot to Kill Malcolm X' [& you should also see the movie 'JFK']. Did you know that there were Black undercover agents standing over both Malcolm's & Martin's bodies at the time of their assassinations -&- that a Black undercover agent gave the FBI, CPD, Cook County task force the floor-plans to Fred Hampton's apartment & put sleeping pills in his drink just before the enemies of our people executed him in his bed while he was sound asleep [all of these sell-outs missions were to infiltrate & get close to the assigned targets]??!! Did you know that there at least 5 assassins who killed Malcolm but only 3 men were ever convicted for Malcolm's murder- BUT 2 OF THEM WEREN'T EVEN THERE WHEN HE WAS KILLED??!!
As for AIDS in Africa - they've been selling this condoms = safe-sex hype for the past 25 yrs yet AIDS & STDs persists in the US - let alone Africa. And you say you're from Haiti so you should know that they always dump defective 3rd rate crap in Africa & 3rd World that they can't sell in the US & EU- including condoms. You think the US Gov't, WHO, Bill Gate foundation, etc are really that concerned about the health & well being of Africans? Do you know what kicked off the so-called Somali pirates- because US & EU [& other] countries have been dumping toxic industrial [including radioactive] waste off the coast of Somalia for past couple of decades [Wikipedia/Google Larry Summer's infamous memo when he was the Econ Chief of the World Bank in the early-mid 1990s]!!! Did you know that latex condoms until recently were regularly [& some still are] packaged in Talc- whose micro-structure is similar to Asbestos. Talc is a known toxin if it enters the abdominal cavity [IE: via- the vagina, rectum, or oral] & its been known since the mid 1970s that 75% of all ovarian tumors are imbedded w talc particles. For this reason in the latter 1990s the FDA banned latex surgical gloves from being packaged in talc but- failed to include latex condoms in that mandate! Further latex being a natural sheath material has micro-pores which are about 10micons in diameter. This is small enough to keep sperm & bacterial agents [IE: syphilis & gonorrhea] from passing thru- but HIV is a virus that measures just 0.1microns in diameter - you do the math. During special testing for micro-leakage 30% of new non-defective condoms failed [but in Africa its a sure bet many/most condoms are defective & 3rd rate]. To further illustrate the point - This is why they recently recommended that condom makers stop coating condoms in spermicides - because they found not only did this fail to slow the rate of HIV transmission - it actually increase it - by acting as a lubricant which facilitates the passing of HIV virus particles thru those micro-pores. BUT- They've also done 3 major studies on male circumsission [which by the why is recommended by both the Bible & Koran] & HIV / STD transmission - the first in the mid 1980s [IE: early on in AIDS epidemic] w a follow-up in the later1980s [when only about 1/2 of a % or less S-Africans were infected {that's not more than 5 out of 1000]. They knew then that male circumsission was between 60 - 70% effective in preventing AIDS transmission- BUT - the CDC & WHO just 'officially' acknowledged this in 2007! So why do they push condoms = safe-sex but say nothing about male circumsission- which until recent proof of its protective effectiveness in preventing AIDS / STD transmission- was actually discouraged- I} They can't make money on circumsission the same way they make money on condom sales... II} Circumsission is NOT a means of birth-control but condoms are [goes back to their population control / Eugenics agenda]. Plus there's something wrong w the AIDS narrative we been sold IE: AIDS is supposedly a STD but it takes on average 1000 acts of unprotected sex before a man infects a woman & between 2000 - 5000 for a woman to infect a man. Plus there's the Bangui Protocol definition for AIDS [in effect since 1985] that applies only in Africa where an African can be officially declared an AIDS victim WITHOUT Standardized HIV/AIDS Testing. They claim the the genesis of AIDS was in Africa but I know that the AIDS epidemic started w homo-sexuals / drug-addicts in the US in the latter 1970s - but then they called it GRIDS [Gay-man's Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome] before they coined the more politically correct AIDS. Further- If in Africa SIV in apes somehow jumped species to become HIV in humans - Question - How long have apes been in Africa - How long have Africans been in Africa??? So why is it that the first documented case of this happening only goes back to the latter 1950s??!! And I know about their so-called Cut-Hunter theory but {some}Africans have been hunting & eating bush-meat for centuries!!
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Nixa
"Don't expect me to defend Euro -centric Christianity.."What other type of Christianity is there?WHAT OTHER TYPE IS THERE AND WHY DO YOU FIND THE NEED TO PUT EUROCENTRIC IN FRONT OF IT AS IF YOU KNOW OF ANOTHER TYPE?
You have just crashed my brain with such an overload of information...So,because Darwin expressed some racist views,we are supposed to ignore all his works.Are you afraid that you will start scratching your head while craving for a banana if you were to accept evolution as a proven scientific fact.That's right....;Evolution is a fact and no longer a theory.Trust me,I have accepted it and I have not felt the desire to act like a monkey.I eat bananas but I have always eaten them.....
Since Atheism is not a belief system,you can't attach it to any specific group of people....You remind me of the old saying "Better to keep your mouth shut and make them wonder if you are ignorant than to open it and remove all doubts"....As Richard dawkins like to say,we are all Atheists...The christian is an Atheist to the Muslim and vice versa.The Jew is an Atheist to both of them and vice versa.An Atheist like myself is an Atheist to all of you.I have chosen to believe in one less god than you do;Plain and simple.If you were born in Egypt,you would most likely believe in Allah.What makes you think that the Egyptian god is no less or more alive than the Christian god? What if when you die,you find out that the god you have been idolizing all your life was the wrong god?An Atheist such as myself makes a decision to stay out of that stupid and divisive battle that religious forces are waging on behalf of some imaginary fockhead.I think I am better off than you because I am living my options open and I can tell your god if he exists that I took no side because I didn't know what to believe.He'll respect me more for my honesty than you for your cowardice and hypocrisy...Sounds as if you are saying that because you have this strong thirst for water(superstition),you rather drink from a polluted well(religion)than walk an extra 3 miles to get clean water(science and common sense).I have replaced the nonsense found in the bible and the Koran by such beautiful works from Thoreau,Plato,Aristotle,Frank Loyd Wright,Samuel Clemens,Sigmon Freud,Gloria Steinem..etc.....All Atheists by the way...11. The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. — Sigmund FreudPlease refrain from so much information overload..We all know how intelligent you are.No need to try to impress anyone in here.
Christian, Atheist, "Black Magic" don't make no difference
Just came back from Ft. Lauderdale/Miami region. One day had a conversation with the hotel housekeeper who was from Haiti. She talked about how much she loved her country and how much better it could be if the ruling class (my words) or government wasn't so corrupt and greedy. She also said that "magic" was a big problem.
My point, it doesn't matter WHAT THE BELIEF SYSTEM IS so long as it is not grounded in reality, or historical and analytical truths. In Haiti the problem isn't so much Christianity it would appear (although I have no doubt it creates it's own problems) the problem seems to be too many folks influenced by what the housekeeper called "magic" and what we refer to as voodoo.
It's how people interpret shit that matters, its how and why they suspend their critical thinking skills that matters, could be due to Islam, could be due to Christianity, could be due to Judaism or Zorastraism, there some crazy ass Hindus too, there are some who practice yoga who are bat shit crazy, doesn't matter. In Haiti it appears in no small part due to "magic" or voodoo.
There are some fucked up atheists too, just as there are some ethical, moral ones. It's easy to say "I don't give a fuck about nobody, because my time spent on earth is all that I know, and getting mine at all costs, satisfying my senusal needs is all that matter. There is no cause and effect, there's only power and might. So screw the weak, that's a personal problem." Truth is, there's usually something "higher" that keeps us from being ruthless mother fuckers, for some that's ethics and morality, for others spirituality, and for some it's "religion." Does't matter, no more than "Magic," "Christianity," "Judaism," or "Islam" will make us good or evil.
In other words Christianslayer, THE PROBLEM OR ISSUE IS EXTREMISM. That will create a fucked up situation regardless the belief system, because it goes back to what I said earlier, about the arrogance of man assuming he knows all or has the power to discern all, rather than respecting the universe which is unfathomable.
My last word on the subject, btw.
We Can go Tit For Tat On & On But I'm Ending This Coversation
Whether You know it or not -or- understand it or not - You've made my point. But since you insist on declaring yourself as having descended from an extinct ape... I however declare that I'm a Son of Africa & a Son of the Living GOD -&- I bid you good day.
crontradiction...
You are a son of africa and a son of a living god....
In that one sentence,you have claimed allegiance to both Africa and the white man......Even your bible states that you can't follow two masters........Get your act together brother before you die a confused man.
no such thing as a good christian
Enlightened
There is no such thing as a good christian in my book.A good christian is a dead one sa far as i am concerned.When it comes to a Black christian,it gets worse.I look at Black christians as traitors deserving of nothing less than death and torture.A black christian is a person of low moral character who also lacks selp pride.How can any black person armed with the knowledge of christianity's contribution to the slave trade claim to any ype of self respect while also claiming to be a christian?.................So,the criminals who conceptualized the idea cemented the deal by promising you life after death?.Black people must have a very short memory span to believe that after all the hell they have caught on earth from white people that things will be different in heaven.Even if I wanted to be a christian,that offer of spending an eternity with a bunch of criminals would be enough to turn me off completely.Furthermore,what makes any sane Black man or woman think that they are going to be welcomed in heaven with open arms? A people who worships another people's god will always be that people's slave..The Black woman has turned her man into a dummy who has sacrificed his manhood for sexual favors.He is scared to stand up against her ignorance of religion for fear that she will withold sex from him....
I do hope there is a heaven and,as punishment for being so stupid,I wish that upon arriving at the gates,every black man and woman is presented with a mop and a broom as their assigned duties...
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Tell me how you really feel (LOL)
My problem with "heaven" is that I would be subject to endless routine of folks singing hymns loud and off key, it would be commensurate with listening to someone rubbing their fingernails across a chalk board.
Plus, if there is no sex and booze, (or cannabis) how much fun can it really be??? "Lawdy be, I can't wait til I'se reach dem pearly gates, we gon have church all the time." Really? Church ALL THE TIME?
No ESPN or "Pimp my Ride," no clubbing, no skirt-chasing, no porn, not even the soft Showtime version??? Hmmmm... maybe purgatory won't be so bad. LOL
When you said "Christianslayer" you weren't bullshitting. LOL
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can't play around with god...
Enlightened,,
I could not let you go away without letting you know that I noticed how you gave yourself that get out of hell card on your last post......You can't be poking fun at heaven if you are not ready to go to hell ,my friend...Purgatory is not a final resting place.It serves more as a holding cell while your attorneys are negotiating with god and the devil as to which one of them will get the pleasure of torturing your black ass for an eternity.....Don't poke fun unless you are ready to suffer the consequences.....Don't worry Bro! Christianslayer got your back .:>)
Reply requested...
We should be almost at the end of this very interesting exchange.....(interesting, at least in my opinion)...Enlightened,I have always been under the strong impression that Christianity's last standing leg was the lure of heaven and everlasting life.If you have overcome that fear,as it appears that you have,what else is compelling you to defend ,if not all of it's parts but clearly some of them? Could it be peer pressure?
PS Yes,,,,,,,Sometimes,I picture myself as Wesley Snipes fighting against the bloodsucking vampires who call themselves religious.I know I most likely will be alone.
@Christianslayer1955: Take a deep breath Brother
As far as "immortality" is concerned, perhaps you've noticed (or not) the many times I've raised the question: "How many people would be Christians if they knew there was no life after death?" I'm sure you have a notion as to what the percentage would be. So to be clear, my spiritual bent has nothing to do with an "after life" it has everything to do with the "here and now." I don't base my actions on earth on an "after life" though I don't entirely rule out the possibility of some other realm than the one we live in. And if it exists, I hope there are some sensual pleasures to go along with it, something more pithy that singing hymns and Bible study.
Second, don't assume that all Christians (and like Nixakliel I don't consider myself one, because I do not believe in Bible inerrancy and literalism or that salvation in Christ is the only path to "God") but don't assume all Christians take the Bible literally, many understand that it's a composite of myth, fable, poetry and allegory as well as some historical kernels of truth. Many understand that it's been revised countless times, and that the King James version is a long, long way from Aramaic.
Third, don't assume that spirituality and science is incompatible because they are not. And last but not least, don't assume that the human mind, that "man" can discern all there is about the universe. Indeed this is part of man's arrogance, whether Christian or atheist, that through reason or inductive or deductive thinking, or "trial and error" or by "testing this or that hypothesis," or by claiming that the Bible is "God's-word" they can figure shit out. That arrogance is a deadly sin in and of itself, whether perpetrated by believer or nonbeliever. If history has proved anything, it's that "man" don't know shit.
Finally, during one of my forays into Family Video, when I eschewed the porn section, I found a dvd called "What the Bleep do we Know?" All I can say is check it out, I suggest anyone check it out for whatever knowledge or insight they can glean from it. All I can say is this: there is nothing UNSCIENTIFIC, given the scope and breath and what we know of quantum physics, in believing in a parallel universe or some existence other than the one we are presently physically constrained to.
Bottom line: none of us know as much as we think we do, that's part of the grand design, that's part of the grand scheme of things to keep us humble, so yall don't get all uppidity and arrogant like I do on occassion. LOL
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Stop being so hard on the Christians Brother (no pun intended), even though I'm guilty of the same at times, people would do evil and stupid shit even if there were "no gods" and only the Easter Bunny. Remember that old study that needs some revisiting, the one titled: "Brown Eyes, Blue Eyes"? Or check out a really good movie called "The Experiment," that Forrest Whitaker is a M*** F****r, makes his role as as the King of Scotland look tame.
As Chasm said about a week and a half ago, (paraphrasing) given the opportunity, in all probability the Klingons would be starting shit with each other after earth is destroyed and long gone.
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http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie/281009/the-experiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u09jRBcV_LA
Thank you much...
Thank you much Gentlemen for your point of view.I believe that there exist much that we agree on and not much we disagree on...May God bless you all.
Enlightened Cynic
As always,I greet you with much gratitude for sharing precious information.........
I do my best not to see individuals as they define themselves.For that reason,I refer to people as Christians and Jews only because they refer to themselves as such;Otherwise,everyone would be my brother or sister..Deep in my subconscious,I see all humans as being same except for the labels our parents,acting as agents for church and state, attach to us upon birth.I look at the bible as garbage ..;I would not even use it's pages to wipe my butt with.It is the most disgusting and vile book ever written.Only other book worse is probably the Talmud or the Koran.These books serve as manual guide for people with evil intentions...There is only one god and it is the god found in the bible.In the bible,god very clearly schools the Jews on how to kill and enslave other people(exodus 20:21is a good example).Black people love to excuse those passages by saying that god did not mean to say what we think he said....When we forget that god is an invention of men,we go to all length to defend him.Once we understand that the bible was written as a get out of jail card for all present and future criminal activities sanctioned by the state,we can better understand why god had to be so evil back then and continues to be so today.The god of the bible is a disgusting,filthy god and we can not change him to our liking.The only choice we have is to either accept him as he is or reject him completely.Criminal elements of the Israeli population are following god's orders to the letter as far as their dealings with the Palestinians.There is a story in the bible about twin brothers named Jacob and Esau.That story is a perfect example of how the authors of the bible were laying the ground work for future crimes and justifying those crimes through a god of their invention...In that story,god clearly planted the seeds of hate and division which were to last for an eternity...
It saddens me when I hear good hearted people such as your self say that the god of the bible would never sanctioned evil acts when he clearly does so throughout the whole bible.If you disagree with him,break free from him and find spirituality.I do not know what your definition of spirituality is but mine can be summed up in two words;Love and respect......With love and respect as my guide,I live a good and fairly decent life.I also reject the idea of heaven and hell because I understand that they are being used to hold me hostage by religion.If there is a heaven,I wouldn't want to go there anyway...Can you imagine what it will be like to spend an eternity with a bunch of religious fanatics?
@Christianslayer1955
Dear Friend,
I understand your concerns about religion which is why I say I don't cotton to "Corporate Religion," I believe that "spirituality" is love and respect for all humans and "lifeforms" in general, that would include respect and reverance for nature. After all, even a hardcore atheist understands that their survival depends upon the ecosystem, so logic dictates that one would respect and revere it and not poison or destroy it. Would one "piss or defecate in their drinking water?"
Without evolving into a "deep' discussion of religion, let me just remind you that the problem is not religion in and of itself, the problem is how MAN DISTORTS BELIEF SYSTEMS. And man will distort belief systems REGARDLESS of the SYSTEM!!
We live under a distortion of the free market system, we witnessed how Lenin and Stalin distorted socialism. On the otherhand we witnessed how Gandhi and Malcolm and Martin utilized religious concepts and spirituality as they interpreted it.
I repeat, my problem is not with "religion per se" my problem is with distortions, mis readings and misinterpretation. I would use this anology to make my point, an anology some might find distrubing but one that is nontheless true IMO. Guns don't kill, it's people that kill. Think about this. We have to live in a constant police state because we accept the constant fear mongering and theme of "nuclear annilihation or holocaust" particularly this is the calling card of Islamophobes or Zionists. Now any critical thinker only has to skim the surface of history to see that over 100 million people died in WWII, without the aide of nukes, or that chemical and biological weapons existed long before nukes.
Does Iran need a nuke to destroy Israel? Of course not, why not destroy Israel with mustard gas, cyanide and the cocktail of chemical and biological weapons WITH PROVEN DELIVERY SYSTEMS if one want's to "destroy Israel.?" Shit, why not contaminiate it's soil with a "dirty bomb?" I can't believe people are so stupid.
People are so goddamn stupid because they refuse to think (this is not directed at you it's a generic screed). I can kill somebody with a ball point pen, a 50 cent Bic, by shoving it in their eye or ear, I don't need a 44 magnum to kill nor an AK47. I can cut your carotic artery with a pen knife. Religion ain't the problem HUMAN BEINGS ARE THE PROBLEM. I guarantee you Christianslayer if religion didn't exist, man would still find a philosophy or construct to be an evil mother fucker, or a dumb one, whichever the case may be. And also, last but not least, what have I said consistently? That the greast religion in American is the religion of American Exceptionlism. A belief system that crosses ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEF SYSTEMS, racial and ethnic lines. Indeed Nationalism and Tribalism were perhaps the first "major religions."